*Flame suit on   *I hate Panthers.

"Wacko" (wacko--) 05/07/2018 at 13:42 • Filed to: Screw the Panther Platform

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As in Ford Crown Victorias. They went on way past their best before date....

I don’t see why OPPO has a love affair is with them.

Other than being old taxis and cop cars.

Captain of the Enterprise > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:45

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I hated my 05 Crown Vic.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:47

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bacause kitty!

oh you mean the crown vic..... coz its an unkillable tank of car that just goes n goes n goes..... also v8 (did i mention itll just keep going?)

duurtlang > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:48

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It’s like a classic car that was built recently. I understand why people like that. I personally don’t really care for those boats though.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:48

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Even Black ones?

itschrome > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:48

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V8. RWD, CHEAP land yacht with ability to tow things larger than it should..  

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 05/07/2018 at 13:49

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kinja ate my kitty

facw > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:53

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Not a fan myself either. I think people hear V8 and RWD and think they are cheap 4-door Mustangs. But to me, they are heavy, huge (on the outside), surprisingly small on the inside, soft, and certainly not very attractive. I mean, I could see where some people could appreciate them, but they are definitely not for me.

Wacko > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 05/07/2018 at 13:53

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You mean the Marauder, yeah that one too. the panther is not a pretty car, and the Marauder is lipstick on a pig*

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Wacko > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 05/07/2018 at 13:55

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So kinja is not DJ Khaled

For Sweden > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 05/07/2018 at 13:55

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Wakanda was destined for stagnation if it did not open its borders to immigration.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:57

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Yo heard you were talkin shit about panthers?

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 13:58

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^.^ lol

noice

CobraJoe > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:01

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Why do people like them? Because they’re affordable V8 RWD sedans. Because they are more than reliable, they’re tough. Because they have plenty of room inside and in the trunk. Because even though they’re slow, they’re plenty of fun to drive and absorb bumps extremely well. Because they were the last hold out for the ideal that sedans were supposed to be V8, RWD, reliable, tough, roomy, and comfortable on bumpy roads.

Basically, they’re a reminder of the large sedans of the past without all of the negatives of owning something actually old like a Galaxie.

As in Ford Crown Victorias. They went on way past their best before date....

The more interesting question: Why do you even care enough to post that you do hate them? It’s not like they were the only option for a sedan, or a RWD car, or whatever combination.

Wacko > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 05/07/2018 at 14:02

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hey you can like them, but I don’t.

I hate these panthers too

Wacko > CobraJoe 05/07/2018 at 14:05

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trying to see why some people like them.

InFierority Complex > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:07

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The real question is how do you feel about Panteras?

CobraJoe > facw 05/07/2018 at 14:07

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But to me, they are heavy, huge (on the outside), surprisingly small on the inside

They’re really not that huge on the outside, a 5th Gen Camaro is comparable in everything but length, and you can fit 6 people inside a Vic if it has benches front and rear. And the trunk is properly large.

As far as exterior size vs interior room, it’s certainly not the worst option out there.

CobraJoe > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:08

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Have you ever driven one? Even the soft ones can be fun in corners, and power sliding in the rain gives you all day to oppo.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:09

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No. Shoo. Leave my team alone.

EL_ULY > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:12

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It’s the perfect combo of RWD ship with a V8 and absolute basic American crap. Being able to work on it using simply a spork and buying them for pocket change, it is classic Jalop mentality   

Wacko > InFierority Complex 05/07/2018 at 14:14

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love them, this was my uncles pantera

http://www.johnscotti.com/en/used/1974-de-tomaso-pantera-gts-upgraded-to-group-5-specs/6690324/

he had it since the late 80s till he passed in 2015 then it went up for sale.

NKato > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:14

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Because... They’re reliable when maintained. They don’t break easily. They’re reliable. They’re decently fast.

It’s no secret that it’s heavy. That it floats like a land yacht. But you know what? It’ll be easier to rip a burn out or donut than a Cadillac. It’s fun, it’s practical and it’s bombproof.

Wacko > CobraJoe 05/07/2018 at 14:17

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driven no, but was a passenger in my Grandfathers 92 back in the day...

Wacko > EL_ULY 05/07/2018 at 14:18

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great for local stock car racing, but to DD one by choice no......

Urambo Tauro > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:21

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I approve this message. (Help keep prices low for the rest of us!)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > CobraJoe 05/07/2018 at 14:21

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negatives of owning something actually old like a Galaxie

Wacko > NKato 05/07/2018 at 14:21

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bomb proof you say,...

challenge accepted.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > EL_ULY 05/07/2018 at 14:23

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It’s the Amerikanski T-34 of sedans.

EL_ULY > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:23

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I’d dd one if fuel was cheaper. Shit will never die.

I like cars that just truck on forever with minimal work

EL_ULY > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/07/2018 at 14:26

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All it needs is air suspension and I would be able to tell them apart lol

Wacko > EL_ULY 05/07/2018 at 14:27

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Those are called pickups

CobraJoe > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:31

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My parents owned 2 panthers when I was a kid, my grandparents owned 2 at the same time. I didn’t realize how much I liked them until I experienced some other cars (and got to drive a panther by myself).

They’re different than almost anything else, but that’s also why some people like them.

BigBlock440 > facw 05/07/2018 at 14:33

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surprisingly small on the inside,

Nope, they are huge on the inside too. My roommate in college had a CVPI and we were able to fit 7 college age males in it, with everybody sitting on a seat. No, it was not comfortable, but that was more from the 350 lb 6'5" member of our group taking up enough space for 2 people. The front bench was almost uncomfortably wide and was tough to reach both armrests at the same time.

Dark chocolate > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:34

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Mine does the DD duties. 120 miles a day of rural driving. he BMW and the SS shine equally well in those arenas..however for a large comfy cheap DD the panther can’t be beat. .

CobraJoe > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/07/2018 at 14:36

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Hey, I’d daily a Galaxie if I could, but I know what I’d be getting into with a 50 year old full size sedan with a carb and points and a 3 speed automatic and lap belts only.

Die-Trying > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:42

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Wacko > Captain of the Enterprise 05/07/2018 at 14:46

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why?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 14:54

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And a Panther is a pickup with a trunk instead of a bed, and enough lower that it’s more stable on the road and doesn’t sway in the wind as much. Some people like that.

facw > BigBlock440 05/07/2018 at 14:56

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I’ve never got that feeling. Honestly, I don’t think how many college students fit is a good measure, we got 10 in an Accord...

My take is that for as big as the car is, it is not roomy. It could stand to have a lot less hood and a lot more cabin.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > For Sweden 05/07/2018 at 14:58

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fhrblig > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 15:12

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I just like big, floaty old-school American sedans, that’s all. But I can totally understand why some don’t like them.

Wacko > fhrblig 05/07/2018 at 15:14

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might be cause my Grandpa had a 92(that he bought new)

to me they are taxis, cop cars and old man cars.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 15:20

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They were pretty much the last of the classic american sedans. It’s a nostalgia thing. That’s why old people bought them.

As far as how long it was made, it survived mostly because it was ideal for fleet sales. Proven technology, robust construction, easy to repair, and it was built for long enough that prices were low and parts were plenty.

Ethusiasts love them because on top of the previous reasons, they are one of if not the cheapest ways into V8 RWD ownership.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > CobraJoe 05/07/2018 at 15:24

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I’m dailying a Galaxie at least partly because I’m not worried about accident rates in the local area, true. But - the carb has been quite well-behaved, I get pickup truck-like mileage, the points were replaced with electronic by a previous owner, and the 289 can push the car from zero to fifty effortlessly in 2nd. For what would I need more gears?

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/07/2018 at 15:35

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I love that feeling, personally. It’s comforting and “right”, somehow. They feel perfectly matched to long, empty, interstate highways in the western US.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 05/07/2018 at 15:38

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I have an earlier version of the same feeling in my ‘63 Galaxie 500, which is about the same displacement as a Crown Vic, the same overall length, about the same weight...

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/07/2018 at 15:40

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Which is why it’s great they made the Panthers so long. If it wasn’t for them, there would be a very limited supply of cars that felt like that.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 05/07/2018 at 15:47

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Given the very close to Panther and Galaxie dimensions of the first really modern ‘55 Ford and the introduction of the Y-block the year before, making 272ci in ‘55, you could say there was an unbroken string of consistently sized smallblock big family sedans for 56 years. That’s an achievement.

BigBlock440 > facw 05/07/2018 at 16:01

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I guess I don’t really have any other full size sedans to compare it to, but coming from compact sedans and coupes, and my 70's barge with an even longer hood, it just seemed like acres of room and a nice airy cabin.

CobraJoe > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/07/2018 at 16:18

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Carbs are ok, until they aren’t. Then they’re a pain. Pickup truck like mileage is pretty bad (I just bought a pickup, so I know for sure). You can hit 50mph in 2nd, but how fast is the engine turning at 75mph? And are the brakes up for stopping that much car at those speeds?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love one, they’re just not equal to a newer car when it comes to safety and livability.

NKato > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 16:19

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Haha. More like, it’s crazy hard to get the engine to grenade itself.

NKato > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 16:21

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Killer Queen is my daily driver. You’re being silly.

NKato > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 16:22

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The first gen is inferior to the second generation.

Tristan > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 16:25

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I’m a MASSIVE fan of box body Panthers (‘79-’91), and I’ve owned several. ‘92+ doesn’t do much for me, personally, but I can certainly see why people like them. The Merc Marauder was on my list of dream cars until I became disenfranchised with Ford’s modular engines.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > CobraJoe 05/07/2018 at 16:44

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All pretty true, I’m just saying that in my circumstances the mild rough edges (14mpg, etc.) are ones I’m willing to compromise on, and the potential major rough edges (traffic danger) are minimized. Admitted, the brakes are a very cheap and easy thing to improve than overall crash ruggedness, but in his own way Issigonis was right about avoiding accidents as the biggest margin of safety - the sharp edges and chrome mean it gets noticed, and the noticed car gets a wide berth.

I’ve driven it in Atlanta traffic in the summer. Not something I want to make a regular thing of, but it’s not cataclysmic by any means.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 17:06

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I agree... they’re nothing special. Mediocre at best.

I grew up with one in my family.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 17:12

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Some people like them mainly because it’s what they’re familiar with.

Once at a car rental agency, there was a guy ahead of me who had reserved a Camry... and they wanted to upgrade him to something else but all he wanted was a Camry because he was familiar with Camrys and he specifically reserved a Camry and would they please get him the Camry he reserved right now!

Note that he wouldn’t even take a Lexus ES350... which is the car I got upgraded to.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > BigBlock440 05/07/2018 at 17:24

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“Nope, they are huge on the inside too.”

Unless it’s it’s a long wheelbase Lincoln version, the amount of space inside is nothing special. Grew up with a Grand Marquis and spent a lot of time sitting in the middle with that big transmission hump.

Captain of the Enterprise > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 17:31

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The seats hurt my back enough to dislocate ribs, the seating position would make my calf cramp, if you wore gym shorts in it the cloth could literally grab and pull them down when you sat down. It got 16mpg, the transmission was dying at 60,000 miles, the aluminum wheels were a know weak point and my sister bent and cracked two or them. The shocks were blown at 60,000 miles, the alternator died at 50,000 miles, it handled badly, was slow and everything combined mad it painful just to drive. It was also beige with a beige interior which was nauseating.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Wacko 05/07/2018 at 20:04

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It’s the only 7 year old 70s car you can buy.